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ZD_kusanagi · Aug 15, 2005, 04:44 PM // 16:44

I have to admit that in the buying market, it is almost worthless having the perfect damage weapon. But with having 2 damage off and more, you start to notice the difference. it's miniscule, but it's there. It's the same point as with absorbtion runes. Why would you pay 90k for -3 damage and only 5k for -2 damage? because it's better. Why would you pay 10k for a perfect chaos axe, and only 2k for a 27 damage one? because it's better. You buy to compete basically. If your talking to somebody in a pug or something, and you show him your NEAR perfect weapon, he will basicaly laugh at you. If you try to pvp with a near perfect weapon, everybody else will have the upper hand on you. It doesn't matter if it's only 3 more damage per slash, what matters is that you arn't contributing to the team as well as you can be just because you were cheap. Because lots of people pvp in their pve chars, they will basically be run over and flattened by the pvp chars with the perfect mods, and perfect damage.
Seriously,It's confusing how people think.
"I just saved up all my money on a superior absorbtion rune! i am leet now!!'
"But why would i spend the money to get two more points of damage out of my weapon... that's just pointless.."

LifeInfusion · Aug 15, 2005, 04:47 PM // 16:47

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Originally Posted by VGJustice

personally, I think that this goes with the Gold vs Anything Else argument. That extra 10k you pay for a Max damage weapon is... fluff. Yeah, just fluff.

IMHO, 1-2 points of damage isn't going to make that big a difference except to complete morons.

I agree with you on expensive weapons like storm bows, eternal shields, fellblades, crystalline swords, fiery dragon swords (these are noob anyway, even Rurik uses them).

On regular weapons that people don't pay premium for, such as forked swords, a 15-22 is way better than 14-20 so I disagree on all other occasions. Why?

okay 1 damage is not much to you. Then you use +33% attack speed like frenzy or berserker stance. That one damage quickly adds up, especially on swords and axes (not so much hammers and bows).

Not only that, but if the enemy has a ___ armor level, and that 1 damage is the only damage going through their defense, that one damage is all that counts.

As for collectors swords, staves, etc. if you put a prefix or suffix on it, you cannot salvage it out. That means if you want to make a very good sword, it better be on an existing gold or purple, not blue. People want the best, and the best items always are GOLD not blue. There are exceptions, like if you have a max damage blue item that you upgraded yourself. However, drop-wise, gold is superior 99% of the time.

Another reason why people like gold is that the item itself was worth something when it dropped. For example, I have a purple sword that has better stats than a similar one that dropped with gold color. However, that purple sword had only one mod, while the gold had two. Usually color is an indication of the effectiveness of the mods (unless they are charrslaying or some other crap).

dargon · Aug 15, 2005, 05:11 PM // 17:11

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Originally Posted by Caelus The Fallen

Refers to the upgrade stats, for example:
A 9/10 Sundering would be a 10% chance at 9% amour penetration. The best Sundering you can get is a 10/10.

Actually, it's the other way around, it's a 9% chance at 10% armor penentration.

Xue Yi Liang · Aug 15, 2005, 05:21 PM // 17:21

Perhaps this thread should be titled "It isn't fair - Nobody offers me more than 7k for this terrific rare uber-sword with all the best mods - just because it has a req of 13."

Algren Cole · Aug 15, 2005, 05:28 PM // 17:28

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Originally Posted by pearhk

Later u will find that 10k, 20k is not really that much
I store up my upgrades until i find a +13/14% above 50 weapon

i prefer spend this more gold so that I no longer need to store any upgrades (except for sale purpose)

adding upgrade onto non-max, even if on those max but with no dmg bonus,
is totally a waste of good upgrades

a tips here:
i think +14% and +15% is totally no differece at all
so i always glad to pay far less amount for +14%

the difference between 10% and 15% when dealing with numbers(for the most part) in the low teens - mid/high 20's is completely irrelevant. Especially when you consider that you can't do fractions of a point of damage. You're damage is going to be rounded to the whole number. the difference between 10% and 15% is about 1 dmg for a max staff/wand/rod, almost 1.5 points for a max bow, almost 1.5 points for a max sword....you see the point. You're getting less than a 2 dmg per hit bump for most weapons(except hammer which could net you 2.xx dmg per hit)....

Rey Lentless · Aug 15, 2005, 05:35 PM // 17:35

I think it's the collector's items that make it this way. I wouldn't ever bother buying under a max damage weapon with a perfect mod.. because you can just get a collector item with those stats.

If you're going for 'fluff' and appearance.. that's fine.. it should at least be as good as a collector item. So in that case, it has to be max damage with a 15% mod to me.

That's the way I look at it anyway. Not paying for a weapon that is inferior to what a collector item gives me. So everything else is worth 0 gold to me.

And yah as far as a choice. Is it a huge gap in what perfect and non perfect give you in terms of damage? No, but in this game, you don't have to settle for less than perfect.. so why do it.

Fye Duron · Aug 15, 2005, 05:39 PM // 17:39

Come on everyone knows that the cast caster items all come from the collectors... All staffs 20/20.. it is hard to find better, and the only one I have seen was one my Friends monk has... It was max damage req8 healing 9/10 everything...

Mario 64 Master · Aug 15, 2005, 05:45 PM // 17:45

Back when I played Diablo II the method of using numbers with backslashes was very common. There were 3/20/20s, 100/20s, 15/8s, etc, etc. It was an easy way to identify all the mods on an item with just a couple characters.

In this game if you want to describe the sundering axe haft you have with 9% chance, you could say, "I have a 9 sundering axe haft" but that sounds corny and confusing. So people say, "I have a 9/10 sundering axe haft".

That's my take on it, anyway.

Aug 15, 2005, 05:45 PM // 17:45	#28
Mario 64 Master wats going on Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Trumbull, Connecticut Guild: Nuclear Launch Detected [Nu] Profession: W/Mo	Back when I played Diablo II the method of using numbers with backslashes was very common. There were 3/20/20s, 100/20s, 15/8s, etc, etc. It was an easy way to identify all the mods on an item with just a couple characters. In this game if you want to describe the sundering axe haft you have with 9% chance, you could say, "I have a 9 sundering axe haft" but that sounds corny and confusing. So people say, "I have a 9/10 sundering axe haft". That's my take on it, anyway. __________________

Aug 15, 2005, 04:44 PM // 16:44	#21
ZD_kusanagi Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: SLC Guild: The Naked Dragon Profession: Mo/Me	I have to admit that in the buying market, it is almost worthless having the perfect damage weapon. But with having 2 damage off and more, you start to notice the difference. it's miniscule, but it's there. It's the same point as with absorbtion runes. Why would you pay 90k for -3 damage and only 5k for -2 damage? because it's better. Why would you pay 10k for a perfect chaos axe, and only 2k for a 27 damage one? because it's better. You buy to compete basically. If your talking to somebody in a pug or something, and you show him your NEAR perfect weapon, he will basicaly laugh at you. If you try to pvp with a near perfect weapon, everybody else will have the upper hand on you. It doesn't matter if it's only 3 more damage per slash, what matters is that you arn't contributing to the team as well as you can be just because you were cheap. Because lots of people pvp in their pve chars, they will basically be run over and flattened by the pvp chars with the perfect mods, and perfect damage. Seriously,It's confusing how people think. "I just saved up all my money on a superior absorbtion rune! i am leet now!!' "But why would i spend the money to get two more points of damage out of my weapon... that's just pointless.."

Aug 15, 2005, 05:21 PM // 17:21	#24
Xue Yi Liang Jungle Guide Join Date: May 2005 Location: Northern CA Guild: Outlaws of the Water Margin Profession: Mo/Me	Perhaps this thread should be titled "It isn't fair - Nobody offers me more than 7k for this terrific rare uber-sword with all the best mods - just because it has a req of 13."

Aug 15, 2005, 05:35 PM // 17:35	#26
Rey Lentless Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2005	I think it's the collector's items that make it this way. I wouldn't ever bother buying under a max damage weapon with a perfect mod.. because you can just get a collector item with those stats. If you're going for 'fluff' and appearance.. that's fine.. it should at least be as good as a collector item. So in that case, it has to be max damage with a 15% mod to me. That's the way I look at it anyway. Not paying for a weapon that is inferior to what a collector item gives me. So everything else is worth 0 gold to me. And yah as far as a choice. Is it a huge gap in what perfect and non perfect give you in terms of damage? No, but in this game, you don't have to settle for less than perfect.. so why do it.

Aug 15, 2005, 05:39 PM // 17:39	#27
Fye Duron Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: May 2005 Location: Chico, CA, USA Guild: Dragon Fang	Come on everyone knows that the cast caster items all come from the collectors... All staffs 20/20.. it is hard to find better, and the only one I have seen was one my Friends monk has... It was max damage req8 healing 9/10 everything...